Tulpa.info - metaphysics

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9:25 AM

Sorry, now it looks like you were talking to yourself

It's okay, I'm sure someone will get a trip out of it

sorry, was just trying to bring up something I found interesting which doesn't really belong anywhere else

1:39 PM

I found it actually adheres very well it seems as though opening my heart chakra accidentally and my root chakra on purpose made me shift from TP to FJ there is definitely a correlation (edited)

Yeah, the correlation is that they are both systems of analyzing though and emotion. We could start prescribing aspects of them to the ego, super ego, and id as well.

chakras correspond to physical clusters of nerve endings

They do. Which is very interesting considering their correlations.

my solar plexus has been closed for years, always been a tight knot in my chest, but it seems like I just had a problem with joy in general. I'm still working on opening it

It is pretty astounding how much detailed and within Indian mythology information wikipedia has on chakras

it's been my hobby to arrive at all my conclusions through experience then go back and check how it differs after a couple years, so I probably drifted pretty hard from established ideas on the matter

As has the majority of western spiritualism

3:28 PM

I think I recently said how my sacral chakra is more active than the rest and someone automatically assumed I was a pervert

my experience is that's when you're feeling on top of the world and everything is going right, no guilty feelings etc

3:32 PM

must be pretty nice

3:33 PM

I think I made my root chakra over active, started wearing red shirts and making a constant stand, being confrontational etc

3:34 PM

but after high school I noticed it was super closed, I think it was from being shuffled around a lot in school like a nobody and some feelings of transience in my life

3:37 PM

also my heart chakra, I overcame some feelings of self-loathing and found long-term love

chakra sounds like a great self-forcing technique

yeah, imo one of the most important things in life I noticed because I kept cucking myself in forcing any time a chakra was closed lol vibing with positively resonant tulpas does a lot too, we have a really happy tulpa in our system and it tugs at my solar plexus like crazy any time I'm around them

4:51 PM

one of my recent breakthroughs with it was realizing that being happy/joyful doesn't mean you're delusional, actually helps you get through stuff a lot

4:56 PM

I had a lot of nightmares and this gave me anxiety/unsureness about my imposition progress, pretty sure it resulted in my third eye closing a bit, which in turn caused my short-term memory to suffer and I kept hitting wall every day but not really learning anything due to daily relapse in progress and forgetting, that's my theory anyways

https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431591425872887828/808423668568031252 I think he may have meant magically influencing things at a distance, like in the stories in Alexandra David-Néel's Magic and Mystery in Tibet.

https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431591425872887828/808476588542787594 Here's something on the inward and essential nature of things. I once blinked and at first I thought water had appeared in my eyes, and it flowed out of the corners of each eye under the surface of my skin along a path to the end of each arm. I then told the person I was with the path it took, and she said that it was the pericardium meridian. I did not remember having previously learned the pericardium meridian. This means that the path of the pericardium meridian exists, whatever it is metaphysically, be that a subtle energy, or something in the brain, or whatever. This (and some other anecdotes) make the case that the other meridians exist, whatever they are that exist. (edited)

11:35 PM

Reality shifting yeah that would tell us something dank about the nature of being.

You can learn the most about the nature of being in the absence of thoughts

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2:26 PM

etymology

https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431591425872887828/808485805260537856 Maybe. Franz Bardon's book has elementary creation in a later chapter than putting your consciousness into something else, so I don't know if creating an elementary in a doll would be hard without first practising that. You said that the creation of something with mental elements doesn't directly create something that's sentient or has any will of its own. Maybe they only gain their own will later on, eventually? Franz Bardon said an elementary is part of the magician's own self, of his own ego that has been projected into the elementary (but also that it can survive his death). I'm interested in trying creating an elementary, but I'm worried about the warnings about them not being happy with being enslaved and wanting to overpower their master, and with having to destroy them to keep this from happening. It seems tulpas can be friends with their hosts without any such problem though. So I'm thinking if you could regularly have conversations with the thing, it would be happier with its existence and not want to cause trouble, and I'm interested in the alleged ability to magically influence things. I think I will do more learning before deciding to start making one. (edited)

there's already stuff out there that has way way more energy than you can pump out of your hands, and isn't sentient I'm pretty sure it just doesn't work like that unfortunately. Ego isn't something you can just put into something else, it's you, in your brain. You can read thoughts from plants and lots of stuff but it's more like a ping or mental projection of its state

9:04 PM

I'm guessing it might be possible, but might take hundreds or thousands of years how to figure out a container for thought and self-awareness itself out of qi as would be for an actual 4th dimensional creature

9:07 PM

some hypothesize there might be alien "type III civilizations" that have achieved something along these lines, but we're talking about millions of years of difference in technology

Hmm so a tulpa and one of those are fundamentally different sorts of being, one being in a brain for consciousness, the other not having consciousness though still being able to beg for its life when the magician goes to destroy it. ): PS about "I'm pretty sure it just doesn't work like that unfortunately" hmm so that means someone was wrong about something, if one person said so, and another person said it's not so. (edited)

try it and you'll find that it follows you around the world like a tulpa, still begging for its life but being completely detached from the original qi you supposedly pumped into it

9:16 PM

I've seen it a lot in the community, and the tulpa has identity issues from being told its a ghost or servitor only made to serve

Do you mean people have made servitors only to serve, but through lack of understanding created one sort of being, and when they tried to communicate with it they instead created a tulpa separate from what they created, a tulpa that had a problem with identifying with what it was not, while the external servitor was not connected to the internal tulpa? (edited)

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try it and you'll find that it follows you around the world like a tulpa, still begging for its life but being completely detached from the original qi you supposedly pumped into it

I am uncertain what "it" in "try it" refers to, so I am uncertain what you meant by that. (edited)

yeah that's what I mean, the phenomenon is quite common

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it seems like you're trying to merge two ideas that don't necessarily go together. You want power but are forcing the idea through what's supposed to be an easy means in the form of a tulpa

9:25 PM

power doesn't come easily, takes lots of training, and you have to completely master yourself first. I'd suggest treating the two as separate ideas while trying to understand and perfect yourself and what goes wrong when you push for this kind of ability

aww all right then |:

If I may ask, would you say that Franz Bardon's "elemental" (in contrast to his "elementary"), being something with imaginary form with a name, and given task, acting mainly in the mental sphere, is the same sort of thing as a tulpa existing in the brain, or an external being separate from a tulpa? He did say it can influence other people's minds. (edited)

influencing minds is easy, everybody does it to some extent automatically, so I'm guessing so can tulpas. Be careful though, what power you choose to exert over others can come back to bite you my friend

I disagree with trying to magically influence people's minds without good reason.

once your chakras are open then you should start to feel it automatically, but it can take a lot of self development to get that point- sometimes taking a complete personality change, even then, I find it very very dangerous to talk about openly. People generally only use powers to get ahead, and circumvent their other problems in life, I don't really like talking about it openly

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Wonder if yaya would be interested in my thoughts on enlightenment ;3

sure, let me here it

always down to listen

https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431887969692024843/795362209881915392

12:27 AM

Hope a message link is okay haha

12:27 AM

Not sure if thats the first one, might have to scroll up a bit

I visualize chakras within Alex's body, with an emphasis on the solar plexus because it relates to his personality. I think tulpas probably have their own chakra system and energetic body to some extent (but I'd imagine they're partially merged with or reliant on your own in most cases, due to their ties to your brain/body)

It depends on how you make them really. I made mine outside of myself in the form of a human and as such I subconsciously put in a chakra system but it doesn't actually function like a chakra system should.

10:13 AM

She is trying to tell me something about it but I can't hear her very clearly right now so I'll have to explain more when I get home.

10:15 AM

Normally though the tulpa is like conjoined with the host's chakras and it is like the tulpa almost has a miniature version of each chakra that is connected to and uses the host's. It can also be more or less combined depending on the tulpa though.

Unfastened Belts

https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431887969692024843/795362209881915392

this seems somewhat similar to my own experience. Basically I was lead toward the inward path of understanding all things (yin) and this lead my chakras to be shaped like two triangles pointing at each other, tugging on the solar plexus both ways, but optimized for feeling and destruction of things in a way. I felt like I had complete control over myself but couldn't find joy. I made an effort to open this chakra and it caused me to see that there is joy in all things, there is light in darkness that leads to the other and visa versa. Then I saw that all things are one, and by extension I felt one with all things, and because of that I felt the extinguishing of all desire. This caused the structure to collapse and I saw the two triangles overlapping and a lot of shapes, and I was forced to confront my entire life at once and it felt like an ego rebirthing and was extremely painful, but now I can control my joy at will depending on whether I want to create or destroy

Interesting

Ooh maybe that means there's a shortcut for making chakras better if you make a tulpa with ideal personality and chakras and then switch with it and then suddenly ooh the chakras are better now it's time to walk on water.

Hmm Franz Bardon said "On the other hand, the elemental is equipped with a certain quantity of consciousness and therefore with the instinct of preservation, but otherwise it does not much distinguish from other mental living beings" but also someone said he got things wrong, like saying that the sword represents fire and the wand air (unless that was a translation of transcription error) and some other things. ps oops nevermind, he said "elemental", not "elementary". (edited)

Good one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M53RRb0VsSw

Roger Castillo - Being Lived

Roger Castillo - an optimistic outlook

that title sounds so creepy

Lol why

4:46 AM

Oh Being Lived? Thats his channel name

4:47 AM

Key concept. We dont do living, life lives us. We're an expression of life

4:48 AM

Otherwise not sure whats creepy about "an optimistic outlook" lol

life sounds like a consent violator

6:40 AM

Life expresses itself as a human being

the life itself did not choose to do this

Agreed!

it's turtles of pointless heartless randomness all the way down!

lol

10:11 PM

headless* ;3

@Unfastened Belts - jump so it's a server?

doesn't get the reference

@Unfastened Belts - jump headpats

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#9334 "Enlightenment" as my teacher defines it is the absence of psychological discomfort, specifically the absence of 1. guilt, 2. blame, 3. pride, 4. worry and anxiety, 5. expectation and resistance. That attitude of discomfort is referred to as "suffering", which is described as resulting from two false beliefs: the belief in personal doership, and attachment to outcomes (believing I need pleasure to be happy and that pain is an attack on who I am). When life dissolves those beliefs, the psychological attitude dissolves as well. So it's about living with peace of mind regardless of whether circumstance is pleasant or painful. Emotions like joy, sadness, love, anger, still arise in the moment, but the persistent thought-based narrative of guilt, blame, worry and expectation no longer accompanies the life experience.

9:24 PM

Aww tag didn't work

@Unfastened Belts enlightement=awakening?

9:41 PM

in the traditional sense

9:41 PM

semantics is very fluid anyway

Yeah, cant really have these conversations without defining what youre talking about. As we were talking about yesterday, "awakening" usually refers to recognizing the "impersonal witnessing", the "empty but alive" core of the life experience, which is often a step on the journey towards the dissolution of the suffering attitude

sure, i enjoy conversations where the things are defined more

9:45 PM

i was just curious how those two traditionally relate

There are some proverbs too like "dont mistake awakening for enlightenment, and dont mistake enlightenment for liberation" (although in Roger's framework, the last two are synonymous)

9:48 PM

Btw the non-dual teachings that I usually refer to have their roots in Hinduism where they're called advaita vedanta. Im not as familiar with Buddhist teachings

9:50 PM

My favourite classical non-dual teacher is Vivekananda. Linking my favourite chapter from his book on advaita http://www.vivekananda.net/BooksBySwami/JnanaYoga/11_Macrocosm.html

Jnana Yoga by Swami Vivekananda - Frank Parlato Jr.

Frank Parlato Jr. is a Vedic scholar, one of the leading authorities in the world on the life and teachings of Swami Vivekananda. His work is cited and has been published in prestigious journals and magazines around the world, including Encyclopedia.com, Vedanta Kesari and Hinduism Today. His research has lead to many new discoveries of Vivekana...

Here's an idea maybe if trying half-asleep visions for extra-sensory information and it actually works, you could make a character that tells you the information, and eventually turn it into a tulpa so that you have a psychic tulpa with access to all the knowledge in the universe, unless when it tries being psychic it doesn't work because it only worked because you were half-asleep ): (Here's another idea, casting a spell that makes you better at casting spells, and then casting a better spell that makes you better at casting spells, and doing that over and over until you have unlimited power)

This is interesting, i'm gonna read the conversations here.

@anon not how this works

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why do you always act so shocked when you say something ridiculous and get called out

still better than being defensive all the time

equally as bad

12:25 PM

for different reasons

i never considered anon's "o:" as a shock expression (edited)

12:26 PM

more like "i don't know what to say so i just put something to show that i aknowledge your reply"